tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5973827.post4674507439547477207..comments2024-01-11T07:40:01.736-05:00Comments on The Stopped Clock: Human Rights and Withdrawal from AfghanistanAaronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16523334580402022332noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5973827.post-75549622498825568552009-11-15T11:23:08.707-05:002009-11-15T11:23:08.707-05:00Something like that.Something like that.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16523334580402022332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5973827.post-14928601287188716522009-11-15T05:47:25.796-05:002009-11-15T05:47:25.796-05:00Ah, she's waiting for the return of the King ....Ah, she's waiting for the return of the King . . . or the second coming - both of which are equally likely in this case.<br /><br />CWDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5973827.post-64130671617543355482009-11-14T13:43:00.750-05:002009-11-14T13:43:00.750-05:00Her hope, quite clearly, is that without the U.S. ...Her hope, quite clearly, is that without the U.S. to effectively prop them up, and Karzai to accept their bribes, the warlords and Taliban won't end up ruling the country. And perhaps that even if they do, the outcome will be the same but with far fewer deaths in the process. She may anticipate a return to local, tribal rule where some women outside of the cities continue to live in extreme oppression (as many do now) but the cities move toward a more western lifestyle (as was the case prior to the fall of Najibullah).Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16523334580402022332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5973827.post-87214150454189512232009-11-14T12:45:05.593-05:002009-11-14T12:45:05.593-05:00As bad as it is, and I'm not disputng that it ...As bad as it is, and I'm not disputng that it is bad, the Taliban (the only other option on the table) lacks even the minimal motivation to pay lip service to the rights of women that a Western puppet government would have. <br /><br />Although to be candid, at this point I am hoping she gets her wish and in a fairly short period of time, after the US pull out, she can try her luck with the Taliban.<br /><br />CWDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5973827.post-65316766038102863442009-11-14T11:25:24.001-05:002009-11-14T11:25:24.001-05:00It's pretty clear that her belief is that the ...It's pretty clear that her belief is that the U.S. will cement in place a government that, for women, is really no better than the Taliban, and she thinks there's a better chance for women in the absence of the Western agenda to cement in place a Karzai-led corrupt government of misogynistic warlords and "moderate" Talibani. Some of the laws passed under Karzai relating to how husband's can treat their wives (no marital rape, if wife says "no" husband can deny her food, etc.) raises valid concern over whether even the most "pro-western" government we can invent will do anything to improve the lot of women.<br /><br />As with many similar nations (for that matter, we have a similar effect) there's a huge clash of culture between urban and rural Afghanistan. There's cause to question whether a true national government can be created - one that doesn't rely upon a fragile set of deals and alliances - or even if a loose federal system is viable.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16523334580402022332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5973827.post-41550095246716504122009-11-11T18:17:26.988-05:002009-11-11T18:17:26.988-05:00". . . but given the author it's not one ...". . . but given the author it's not one to easily dismiss" - well maybe for you, I already have dimissed it and her. <br /><br />". . . it's likely because U.S. policy seems likely to cement in place a corrupt, misogynistic government." <br /><br />Yeah, because they would have such a grandly progressive government if we hadn't invaded . . . why, I'm sure as soon as we pull out the moderates will come out of the woodwork to build a better . . .<br /><br />There are lots of reasons to want us out, because our pulling out will improve human rights isn't one of them. <br /><br />This woman is either nuts or has an agenda that has nothing to do with the arguments she is pushing. <br /><br />CWDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com