tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5973827.post116845694230181932..comments2024-01-11T07:40:01.736-05:00Comments on The Stopped Clock: Hate Versus RageAaronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16523334580402022332noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5973827.post-1169425953006218552007-01-21T19:32:00.000-05:002007-01-21T19:32:00.000-05:00But, as was the point of the original piece, if yo...But, as was the point of the original piece, if you can hang an unfair name on your political opponent....Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16523334580402022332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5973827.post-1169266190584002442007-01-19T23:09:00.000-05:002007-01-19T23:09:00.000-05:00From an outside perspective I'm not sure that it i...From an outside perspective I'm not sure that it is accurate to say that the political affiliation (right) that favors doing away with affirmative action is any more "hate mongering" than the one (left) that is more likely to support something as divisive as reparations for slavery.<BR/><BR/>CWDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5973827.post-1169060811935361642007-01-17T14:06:00.000-05:002007-01-17T14:06:00.000-05:00Cute, on tradition. The fact that he once ran as a...Cute, on tradition. The fact that he once ran as a Democrat no doubt arises from that tradition. But we're in the here and now, and the Democratic Party is currently the stronger voice against segregation and for integration.<BR/><BR/>Membership in traditional hate groups has been quite high at certain times and places in our society. Witness the rise and fall of the KKK in the 19th-early 20th century, then the rise and fall of the reinvented KKK in the mid-20th century. A lot of "hate group" activity is somewhat loosely knit, like skinhead culture, and its hard to derive numbers. (And yes, if a <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinheads_Against_Racial_Prejudice" REL="nofollow">SHARP</A> is reading this, I know you exist.) So on the one hand, speaking domestically, we have groups including the KKK, WAR, National Alliance, RAHOWA, the American Nazi Party, World Church of the Creator, and Aryan Nation. On the other we have SDS and the Weathermen, neither of which have had any significance in decades.<BR/><BR/>As for distinguishing between groups, I didn't ask what the groups describe in their "mission statement". I don't much care if the KKK claims that it operates baby milk factories, and releases footage of its members working in a plant while wearing sheets imprinted with "Baby Milk Factory" (perhaps in Arabic and English? But I digress). I'm speaking from an outside perspective.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16523334580402022332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5973827.post-1168875472254154392007-01-15T10:37:00.000-05:002007-01-15T10:37:00.000-05:001) Depends, if he aims for current stands on affi...1) Depends, if he aims for current stands on affirmative action, he goes Republican; if he is more interested in tradition he goes with the party of segregation.<BR/><BR/>2) Any group that accepts the traditional Marxist-Leninist position (SDS, Weatherman, Khmer Rouge, Shining Path, etc) that we kill the people we can't convert would qualify. That would mean pretty much all such groups who are doctrinally pure. (Membership not particulary large in US at present but think Nepal and Peru . . . and what is the membership of traditinal hate groups?)<BR/><BR/>3) ". . . is there not a significant distinction between a true hate group, such as the KKK or WAR, and an organization which has antisemitic or racist overtones, sympathies or propensities which are separate from its central mission?" - No, to the best of my knowledge no group proclaims its "central mission" to be hate. The KKK argues that it is "pro-white." They recruit by playing up the injustices heaped on the taraget audience. The Nazis were pro-Aryan or German. They just saw the genocide of other peoples as a step along that path. The reason that some of these groups/ideologies get labeled "hate group" and others don't has everthing to do with PR and very little to do with objective differences. Kind of like why it is okay to label the South African treatment of blacks as "Apartheid" but it not okay to put the same label on what is being done to the Palestinians.<BR/><BR/>CWDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5973827.post-1168587635086406652007-01-12T02:40:00.000-05:002007-01-12T02:40:00.000-05:00Excuse my inaccuracy on Duke - I'm not a fan. But ...Excuse my inaccuracy on Duke - I'm not a fan. But doesn't the larger point holds true, as evidenced by his ultimate party affiliation? If he were to run for office again, or somebody similar to him were to run for office, which party do you think he would be most inclined to try to affiliate with? (I'm not asking which would have him - but which you would expect him to choose.)<BR/><BR/>As for radical marxist-leninist groups... can you be more specific? And are you speaking of groups within the U.S.? Groups with any appreciable membership?<BR/><BR/>While granting that there are many who regard the Nation of Islam as a "hate group", is there not a significant distinction between a true hate group, such as the KKK or WAR, and an organization which has antisemitic or racist overtones, sympathies or propensities which are separate from its central mission? Counterpoint, Bob Jones University.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16523334580402022332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5973827.post-1168521947487699912007-01-11T08:25:00.000-05:002007-01-11T08:25:00.000-05:00"How many identifiable hate groups are associated ..."How many identifiable hate groups are associated with left-wing politics, as opposed to right-wing politics? What are the odds that David Duke would ever have tried to run for office as a Democrat?" <BR/><BR/>A) My recollection is that Duke did run as a Democrat.<BR/><BR/>B) It may not fit the definition of "hate groups" that you are using, but I would argue that pretty much any of the radical marxist-lenist groups qualify (if they are willing to kill people based on their failure to "join the revolution" or for that matter in order to "fund" the revolution . . . ), and they all break "left" by definition.<BR/><BR/>C) Farrakhan and company all tend to break left and be "pro Dem" if not outright members of the party . . . or don't anti-semitic groups count as "hate groups"?<BR/><BR/>CWDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5973827.post-1168480090627722932007-01-10T20:48:00.000-05:002007-01-10T20:48:00.000-05:00In 1975, Duke sought a seat in the Louisiana State...In 1975, Duke sought a seat in the Louisiana State Senate as a Democrat. In 1988, he ran in the Democratic Party primary for President of the United States. After a poor showing in the Democratic primaries, he appeared on many state ballots as the nominee of the Populist Party and received 47,047 votes in the 1988 general election. . . . In December 1988, he switched political affiliation from Democratic to Republican.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5973827.post-1168479909619390862007-01-10T20:45:00.000-05:002007-01-10T20:45:00.000-05:00From Wikipedia:David Ernest Duke (born July 1, 195...From Wikipedia:<BR/><BR/>David Ernest Duke (born July 1, 1950) is a former Louisiana Republican state representative, a Presidential Primary candidate for both the Democratic and Republican Parties, former Imperial Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com